Comments on: The current WotLK Paladin Protection tree is broken

By: Tepisor

Tepisor — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:44:10 +0000

It’s just that you move faster.

When you’re done with the Prot tree you can usually go T3 in Ret and PoJ is imo the best place to put your extra points into.

By: Doramue

Doramue — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:45:24 +0000

can i ask why i should take pursuit i dont understand since i’m geared for raids and never do pvp will pursuit of justice really help me since i can’t remember ever being disarmed by a raid boss or are there other hidden benefits i’m missing?

By: Tepisor

Tepisor — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:11:42 +0000

Hey Doramue,

First thing I would suggest is to drop Reckoning and get Ardent Defender. It will help out a lot more.

Another thing I would suggest is to get Pursuit of Justice (maybe drop the points in Conviction).

Other than that, you should be OK.

Good luck!

By: Doramue

Doramue — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:40:14 +0000

hey guys just thought I’d get some constructive criticism on my build lemme know what u think and what i could improve because I’m sure everyone is gonna tell me what I’m doing wrong lol http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Blood+Furnace&n=Doramue

By: Coward

Coward — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:31:04 +0000

Well I feel foolish for not paying attention to dates.

Thanks anyway for the great site, Tep. Found and bookmarked yesterday.

By: Tepisor

Tepisor — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:29:07 +0000

The post and comment are rather old (before the release of WotLK) and they are kinda outdated. Now with the DR on avoidance, the proper way to do it is a mix between the two. You can read more about it here.

By: Coward

Coward — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:29:08 +0000

“Yes, but you want Dodge in end-game raiding, not Block.”

Really?

So have I been wasting my time this whole since release by making myself into a soak/block tank and not an avoidance tank?

By: Dirz

Dirz — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:29:22 +0000

I picked up kings for heroic runs– usually I’m the only pally in 5 man groups. I also picked up imp devo aura as it helps when there isnt a tree in my raid/5 man– which means I directly can help my healer out. I don’t have threat gen issues, with 3k tps if not higher in all heroic/naxx gear– mostly heroic gear. I also took heart of the crusader in the ret tree as it increases the crit strike chance aginest the target by 3% and thus helps kill the boss faster. I didnt take reckoning because of bad experiences with prince:) Might have to rethink that one since it seems the wrath bosses arent into parry deaths

By: Nanji

Nanji — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 05:04:34 +0000

Good discussion, but one thing I don’t understand with you guys. How are you expecting holy paladins to have kings? They give up at least 3% of precious crit to get it:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents.html?tal=503501503001300531025212510000000000000000000000000052300500030000000000000000

That said, I’d always expect a ret pally to have it unless they’re all out pvp spec or some kind of holy/ret hybrid.

Note: As a tank, I kind of expect to be the responsible party in terms of bringing group utility, so it doesn’t entirely bug me that I have to have 2 talented blessings.

(As to OP, you’re spot on I have a heck of a time getting to the bottom half of the prot tree whenever I build a new spec. Of course, I really like having Divine Guardian, even though I can’t use it while tanking, so usually that’s where the extra point or points go.)

By: Bloodhealth

Bloodhealth — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:37:15 +0000

I see your problem, but I also see wasted points.
As an MT you’ve got to expect there to be a holy pala or retadin in the raid who’s going to have BoK. Sanc is a must have to any tanking class, if just for the mitigation its still needed. For my build I’ve included imp. devo simply because your not always raiding and in most heroics your going to have an even spread of healing classes. What I’m currently finding incredibly good is stoicism, that –30% stun duration really helps when your tanking multiple mobs (and as a tankadin anything less than 3 to tank is boring) if 1 or 2 of those mobs has a stun you can guarentee they’ll use it at the worst possible time, making Stoicism a really useful addition.

Imo, skip reckoning unless you have the points to spare and masses of expertise.

If you really get stuck with your build just stick a few points into Guardian’s Favour, its definately not a talent that you need per-say, but its always nice to have a slightly smaller CD for those members who go off and attempt to solo-kill a mob your not working threat on.
As it is we’ll just have to sit and wait for any talent changes that might be coming with the next few patches.